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Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

Hmmm... it does sound strange. If you can, try a direct modem connection (without using your router) - there are plenty of "free" dialup, no subscription internet services out there to dial up to local rate.
If you manage to connect and access all the sites - it then determines that the router is the problem, and not any settings within Vista :o)
Clever eh? :oP
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--: Original message follows :-- "Tim Spence" <Tim Spence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

I have a Linksys RV016 router and I had to turn the firewall off completely (not just SPI) in order to get Vista to work.
If anyone knows of a better solution, I'm all ears.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:

Hmmm... it does sound strange. If you can, try a direct modem connection (without using your router) - there are plenty of "free" dialup, no subscription internet services out there to dial up to local rate.
If you manage to connect and access all the sites - it then determines that the router is the problem, and not any settings within Vista :o)
Clever eh? :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Tim Spence" <Tim Spence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

I feel your pain. I recently bought a Linksys WRT54GX2 with SPI but I have a slightly different manifestation of the problem. I can actually get to several web pages just fine. Then, some web pages partially load but don't load the picture (e.g. Microsoft.com), then some web pages don't load at all. Windows Messenger will not sign in either. If I take the router out of the loop and connect the Vista computer directly to the modem, all is well. If I reconnect the router, all other computers on my home network work fine, but Vista will not. If I disable the Spi Firewall - it still does not work properly. I have tried disabling other settings in the router as well to no avail. Anyway, I am eagerly awaiting a fix for this one as well. Thanks for the input. -Philip
"Doting Daddy" wrote:

I have a Linksys RV016 router and I had to turn the firewall off completely (not just SPI) in order to get Vista to work.
If anyone knows of a better solution, I'm all ears.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:
Hmmm... it does sound strange. If you can, try a direct modem connection (without using your router) - there are plenty of "free" dialup, no subscription internet services out there to dial up to local rate.
If you manage to connect and access all the sites - it then determines that the router is the problem, and not any settings within Vista :o)
Clever eh? :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Tim Spence" <Tim Spence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

Same here i have a Linksys RV082 with newest firmware and 4 win xp pro rigs, one win 2003 rc2, and 2 linux rigs all ok to browse... vista is a no-go. I need to disable the firewall to allow vista to work, and I am not about to do that based on microsoft's record on security so far. This is a major issue, and I am unable to use vista if i cannot access the internet. A previous beta I tried did not have this issue.
"Philip Johnson" wrote:

I feel your pain. I recently bought a Linksys WRT54GX2 with SPI but I have a slightly different manifestation of the problem. I can actually get to several web pages just fine. Then, some web pages partially load but don't load the picture (e.g. Microsoft.com), then some web pages don't load at all. Windows Messenger will not sign in either. If I take the router out of the loop and connect the Vista computer directly to the modem, all is well. If I reconnect the router, all other computers on my home network work fine, but Vista will not. If I disable the Spi Firewall - it still does not work properly. I have tried disabling other settings in the router as well to no avail. Anyway, I am eagerly awaiting a fix for this one as well. Thanks for the input. -Philip
"Doting Daddy" wrote:
I have a Linksys RV016 router and I had to turn the firewall off completely (not just SPI) in order to get Vista to work.
If anyone knows of a better solution, I'm all ears.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:
Hmmm... it does sound strange. If you can, try a direct modem connection (without using your router) - there are plenty of "free" dialup, no subscription internet services out there to dial up to local rate.
If you manage to connect and access all the sites - it then determines that the router is the problem, and not any settings within Vista :o)
Clever eh? :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Tim Spence" <Tim Spence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

Thanks for the reply, and I have just tried to connect directly via a modem, and sure enough it works directly. For reference, I'm using a Speedtouch 716WL ADSL router (with the latest firmware), and previous versions of Vista worked (pre-Beta 2), XP works, Server 2003, etc.
I don't know what MS have changed in the TCP stack, that's causing this problem, but I'm seeing the following types of errors in my firewall log when accessing sites from Vista Beta 2:
Jun 12 11:12:36 FIREWALL fast tcp seqnr check (1 of 2): Protocol: TCP Src ip: 206.24.172.30 Src port: 80 Dst ip: my.ip.address Dst port: 60433
Error Jun 12 11:10:12 FIREWALL fast tcp seqnr check (1 of 6): Protocol: TCP Src ip: 206.24.172.30 Src port: 80 Dst ip: my.ip.address Dst port: 60433
Error Jun 12 11:08:57 FIREWALL fast tcp seqnr check (1 of 6): Protocol: TCP Src ip: 206.24.172.62 Src port: 80 Dst ip: my.ip.address Dst port: 60425
Error Jun 12 11:07:24 FIREWALL fast tcp seqnr check (1 of 24): Protocol: TCP Src ip: 206.24.172.62 Src port: 80 Dst ip: my.ip.address Dst port: 60425
It looks to me as though the SPI on the router doesn't believe that the return packets are genuine and originated from the LAN, so it blocks them.
I'm not sure if MS are that aware of this issue, or if it's causing issues so widely, but they need to be made aware.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:

Hmmm... it does sound strange. If you can, try a direct modem connection (without using your router) - there are plenty of "free" dialup, no subscription internet services out there to dial up to local rate.
If you manage to connect and access all the sites - it then determines that the router is the problem, and not any settings within Vista :o)
Clever eh? :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Tim Spence" <Tim Spence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

This is a known issue. It will be fixed for RC1.
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:06:02 -0700, Tim Spence <Tim Spence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

i also have a linksys rv016 router and had to completely disable the firewall to be able to get outbound traffic working on my vista cpp beta 2 to work as well.
"Doting Daddy" wrote:

I have a Linksys RV016 router and I had to turn the firewall off completely (not just SPI) in order to get Vista to work.
If anyone knows of a better solution, I'm all ears.
"Zack Whittaker" wrote:
Hmmm... it does sound strange. If you can, try a direct modem connection (without using your router) - there are plenty of "free" dialup, no subscription internet services out there to dial up to local rate.
If you manage to connect and access all the sites - it then determines that the router is the problem, and not any settings within Vista :o)
Clever eh? :oP
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Tim Spence" <Tim Spence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Hmmm... it does sound strange. If you can, try a direct modem connection (without using your router) - there are plenty of "free" dialup, no subscription internet services out there to dial up to local rate.
If you manage to connect and access all the sites - it then determines that the router is the problem, and not any settings within Vista :o)
Clever eh? :oP

Not clever at all, as the problem in question seems to be somewhere in Vista's IP stack and circumventing it just masks the real problem underneath. Your method of cleverness is comparable of telling someone to shoot themselves to get rid of the flu :P
I don't have a DSL router on my home network as I have RJ-45 ethernet, but I do NATting and stateful firewalling using a FreeBSD box running PF as the firewall. If I connect the machine running Vista into my LAN it can ping and traceroute other machines quite well - so physical and link layer of the IP stack are working, right?
DNS functionality works as well (I do have a caching name server in my LAN though :) ) so everything should be working right up to application layer. SecureCRT can connect just fine to any host in the internet using FTP, SSH or SFTP as protocols behind the firewall. But then comes the problem: IE (or Opera), Mail or messenger do not connect to any host on the internet, even if the IP stack works correctly up to application layer with other software.
If I connect the box running Vista directly to the net, the problem goes away. So the problem seems to be that part of the network stack, or some applications can't cope with stateful inspection of packets and NAT - Then considering that almost every corporate network is behind stateful NAT firewall these days, makes Vista a bit problematic - of course the inability to connect to internet (or even intranet in these circumstances) can be seen as added bonus by the management :D
From the symptoms I'd think there's well meaning attempt to match the packets in Vistas IP stack and trying to ascertain their legality in there, and the stateful inspection isn't playing with it nicely, as it tampers with the packet headers (and yes, it *should* tamper with them. Sadly Vista's IP stack misses a checkbox where you could turn that feature off :P (Actually I've read from somewhere - shame I can't remember the exact reference, that this is a known bug and will be corrected for RC1)
-Reko

It's not fixed as of Pre-RCI 5536

try this
To fix the TCP/IP issue try the following command in a command prompt.
netsh int tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled
Thanks to tom in the general news group
"Josh" wrote in message > It's not fixed as of Pre-RCI 5536

I have tried this and this does not work for me.
"B. K. Barley" wrote:

try this
To fix the TCP/IP issue try the following command in a command prompt.
netsh int tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled
Thanks to tom in the general news group
"Josh" wrote in message It's not fixed as of Pre-RCI 5536

This is still an issue with windows Vista RTM using my Linksys RVo16 router, i must completely disable the Firewall on the router for any connection to the internet.
has there been anymore fixes for this as of yet?
"Tim Spence" wrote:

Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

Try this: - Click start - Type: cmd - Right-click cmd.exe when it appears under Applications - Click Run As Administrator - Type the following: netsh int tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled - Press enter - Restart your computer
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :-) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-) "cody fawcett" wrote in message

This is still an issue with windows Vista RTM using my Linksys RVo16 router, i must completely disable the Firewall on the router for any connection to the internet.
has there been anymore fixes for this as of yet?
"Tim Spence" wrote:
Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!

using that command has solved my problem. thank you very much.
do you by chance know what causes the issue? and how this command solves it?
thanks a ton "Jane C" wrote in message

Try this: - Click start - Type: cmd - Right-click cmd.exe when it appears under Applications - Click Run As Administrator - Type the following: netsh int tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled - Press enter - Restart your computer
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :-) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-) "cody fawcett" wrote in message This is still an issue with windows Vista RTM using my Linksys RVo16 router, i must completely disable the Firewall on the router for any connection to the internet.
has there been anymore fixes for this as of yet?
"Tim Spence" wrote:
Does anyone have anymore information about the issue with Vista's incompatibility with routers that utilise SPI protection?
I'm unable to disable SPI on my router (but then I'm led to believe that this may still not fix it), so Vista is currently completely useless for me. I'm not going to replace a 2 month old router, just so a new OS will work with it, so while I appreciate this is still just a Beta, lets hope it gets fixed for the final release.
For reference, I'm referring to the issue described in this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=10.
Still, at least I can use Google sites, bizarrely!